To you it's just a meal, but to the animal it is existence itself.Agοny said:Nothing is, I love all my meats.
And it is simply nature. Animals eat other animals.
Cann!bal said:To you it's just a meal, but to the animal it is existence itself.
Just because it happens in nature does not make it just. War and rape are natural, but we recognize they are wrong.
Animals eat other animals for survival and because they need meat. Humans don't.
Exactly. We have the mental capacity to understand that there is no justification for the exploitation and murder of billions of sentient feeling beings.Agοny said:I completely understand those points, but aren't we just more advanced animals?
Bomb said:
That's untrue. This is a lie that was perpetuated by the meat industry so we would eat their garbage. Vegans and meat eaters get the same amount of protein. And all essential nutrients can be found in a vegan diet.Weed said:Well meat has many advantages for humans. Like muscle growth and essential nutrients.
Also, it's fucking good.
Wow, you're hilarious. Good one, dude.Bomb said:
Cann!bal said:That's untrue. This is a lie that was perpetuated by the meat industry so we would eat their garbage. Vegans and meat eaters get the same amount of protein. And all essential nutrients can be found in a vegan diet.
Yeah, meat tastes good, but it doesn't justify genocide. And if you didn't know, there are vegan alternatives that precisely like the real thing. It's kind of freaky, actually.
Wow, you're hilarious. Good one, dude.
Yeah, you're probably right, but they killed for survival. We kill for our taste buds, entertainment and vanity.Weed said:Yeah true. But think about it. We would not be alive if our ancestors didn't kill animals and eat them a LONG time ago. It's just human nature I guess.
For non meats to taste like meatCann!bal said:Exactly how destructive and morally disgusting does eating animal products have to be for somebody to stop eating them?
If health, world hunger, deforestation, global warming, and the systematic genocide of billions of innocent sentient feeling beings are not good enough reasons to change your diet, then what the fuck is?
There's plenty of vegan alternatives that taste exactly like the real thing. Like exactly.A L O N E said:For non meats to taste like meat
Cann!bal said:That's untrue. This is a lie that was perpetuated by the meat industry so we would eat their garbage. Vegans and meat eaters get the same amount of protein. And all essential nutrients can be found in a vegan diet.
Yeah, meat tastes good, but it doesn't justify genocide. And if you didn't know, there are vegan alternatives that precisely like the real thing. It's kind of freaky, actually.
Wow, you're hilarious. Good one, dude.
We are allowed to act upon our interests and satisfy our desires but not at the cost of suffering and pain.wash said:I sorta agree and kinda don't at the same time. This argument rubs me in the wrong way. It assumes that if other animals were in our position, they would also have some sort of moral standard. Like if gorillas were as advanced and civilized as humans, what makes us think that they would give a shit about conservation or vegetarianism? Yeah its fucked up that we engineer animals and modify them to be eaten and sold, especially considering that we don't even need to eat animals to live in our day and age. But at the same time, are we not allowed to act upon our interests and satisfy our desires? We are the dominant species right now, and I'm sure a lot of people would believe that "might makes right" ideology should apply here, even though that line of thinking can lead to extremely corrupt conclusions.
No problem, man. Enjoy your day!Bomb said:Thanks man, it means a lot coming from a stuck up prick like yourself!
Cann!bal said:That's untrue. This is a lie that was perpetuated by the meat industry so we would eat their garbage. Vegans and meat eaters get the same amount of protein. And all essential nutrients can be found in a vegan diet.
Yeah, meat tastes good, but it doesn't justify genocide. And if you didn't know, there are vegan alternatives that precisely like the real thing. It's kind of freaky, actually.
Wow, you're hilarious. Good one, dude.
Isn't it murder to eat plants and stuff like that too? It's living organisms.Revo said:I was getting into The Smiths and watched some of Morrisseys interviews and his opinion about meat made me think about quitting it. Going Vegan for 14 days while on holiday now. To anyone stating meat and milk have positive effects on the body you are simply wrong.
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