Tinychat School

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Okay this is going to be a longer thread so brace yourselves.

On the way to the gym today I was thinking of a way to make a name for myself and give back to this community. As I was walking up the hill and approaching the gym I was thinking that currently, I have some spare time. So I than began to ponder the idea of if there was anything beneficial I could provide to this forum. Beforehand I had been playing around on Photoshop creating an email leaflet and thus, that was on my mind.

I then thought it would be a good idea to create a tutorial for Photoshop; how to create certain texts and such. Once I'd journeyed home from the gym with this idea still in mind I decided the check the "Graphics" section of our forum, and to my anticipation tutorials on an array of different text effects and such had a home inside this sub-forum.

The thing is with these tutorials, you don't actually learn anything about Photoshop. You don't learn a set of fundamental skills that broaden your creativity on the programme. You learn to do what the person tells you to do with stocks, vectors and brushes that they supply. It's like learning one chord for a guitar and then trying to make a song out of it. It's not really beneficial, but most of all, it's not fun.

With forum or video tutorials, you don't get the opportunity to question the video maker. You can't query, you can't ask why and you can't tell the guy to stop breathing so damn hard.

That's why I was thinking that as a community, we could come together and host almost like a school. Now I know you guys have just read the word "school" and the thought of moving your cursor up to that back button has most definitely crossed your mind, but just hear me out.

If we could schedule a tinychat, for instance every Tuesday at 7PM GMT, with someone who is an expert in Photoshop to hold "lessons" where they go over the basics of the programme and progress into more challenging areas as time goes on, then people would begin to understand how to use Photoshop effectively. Not only would it be a learning experience, but it would be a social activity and it would bring people together.

We would need someone who is confident in the field, someone who can answer questions and show alternatives in their passage of work. We also would need people that wouldn't mind donating towards the cause. Once I've finished with my RAT I have no problem in funding this via paying the hosts of these sessions per hour for example.

But then it occurred to me, why stop at Photoshop? It's a RuneScape related forum that links in with account hacking. Why not have these sessions involving hacking? We could have: How to set up a RAT, How to build a phisher, Effective ways to spread; the possibilities are endless. If this idea is to proceed, then we need volunteers.

If you guys think that this is a good idea, then great! Your support is helpful and don’t be afraid to give me it. If you think this is a stupid idea, feel free to gun me down; but a much better alternative is to give suggestions to improve upon an idea. Write what you feel and try to better this idea. Bear in mind this is only a suggestion.
 
Would it not be easier to just help members individually when you have time? Or teach them when they and you have time?
Instead of doing that, they could write a tutorial in the same place.
 
Your points are valid, but this can be too much of a hassle. Not many people I know would teach for free. Besides, it's hard to be committed to something when there is no consequence for a mistake, i.e, being late to these sessions. I support this, nonetheless, because I'm also a visual learner and this event will broaden our creativity beyond the basics demonstrated in a video.
 
I support. I'd love to learn new things, especially PS.
 
I haven't quite worked out how to multi quote on this forum yet; so I shall reply to all of you in one reply.

Mike, I believe you're suggesting teaching someone on a one to one basis, much like tutoring. This is a good idea, but wouldn't it be better to target a lot of people that are struggling and start off at the same place and time? Also, it would be so much more time consuming to do this idea on a one to one basis. It also removes the social aspect of meeting knew people and exchanging different tips and tricks.

Gamma, you make an interesting point. I did state however that the "teacher" will be paid either by donations from "pupils" or I'll fund it once I've set up my RAT. I agree with your point about consequences for mistakes. I think implementing a set of strict rigid rules should help solve this problem.

Michael, thanks for your support :) Really appreciate it :)

Pichu, I do agree that it is a long thread, but I think it's fair to say it's not a lot of effort to read. If people are put off by a lot of text then I'd suggest they rethink their attitude towards reading. Again, thanks for your support!
 
Ellipsis said:
I haven't quite worked out how to multi quote on this forum yet; so I shall reply to all of you in one reply.

Mike, I believe you're suggesting teaching someone on a one to one basis, much like tutoring. This is a good idea, but wouldn't it be better to target a lot of people that are struggling and start off at the same place and time? Also, it would be so much more time consuming to do this idea on a one to one basis. It also removes the social aspect of meeting knew people and exchanging different tips and tricks.

Gamma, you make an interesting point. I did state however that the "teacher" will be paid either by donations from "pupils" or I'll fund it once I've set up my RAT. I agree with your point about consequences for mistakes. I think implementing a set of strict rigid rules should help solve this problem.

Michael, thanks for your support :) Really appreciate it :)

Pichu, I do agree that it is a long thread, but I think it's fair to say it's not a lot of effort to read. If people are put off by a lot of text then I'd suggest they rethink their attitude towards reading. Again, thanks for your support!

Alright, if you want to make your wallet thinner :p, I still support this idea ^^
 
This seems like a nice idea, but I could see a lot of obvious problems with this. Sounds like a nice idea though and I'll support it since I've never seen it done.
 
im writting a photoshop guide too, as i see many ppl wanna learn photoshop tricks so i will definetly be making some. However writing tuts and helping to sort out any problems qhwn u have time would be easier
 
Behind it 100% of the way, maybe there should be a tinychat section of the forum, showing when specific tutorials are taking place, this would eliminate the problems of if people couldn't make it, and you could all ways record the sessions and post it in the tiny chat section if people were to have missed them.

great idea, ill fund (where i can) & tutor on some topics.
 
Great idea, I support 100%.

Maybe we could teach people how to properly punctuate. Man my idea's are great.
 
Thanks for the support guys, it's really helpful.

Method, you're correct; there are some flaws and obvious problems. However, this is just the skeleton of a potential idea. If I achieve enough support, I'll concoct a full body, complete with rules and such. Nevertheless, thanks for the support dude!

Jmczeey, I think having a subsection for TinyChat is a great idea once enough people are involved. Also, having the "lessons" recorded and posted in said subsection for people that missed it is a great idea too. Thanks for the offer of funding this idea, I'll be sure to take you up on that ;) Thanks for your support too!

Thanks Benjamin for your support! Love you man :D
 
I think something better could be achieved and a adequate way of funding it could be provided, if it was included into the upcoming Premium Membership, by upgrading to a Premium Membership it is a monthly cost, therefore that is a flow of income that could be used and it would only be available for Premium Members, therefore giving an incentive to upgrade.
 
Oxide said:
I think something better could be achieved and a adequate way of funding it could be provided, if it was included into the upcoming Premium Membership, by upgrading to a Premium Membership it is a monthly cost, therefore that is a flow of income that could be used and it would only be available for Premium Members, therefore giving an incentive to upgrade.




well, i think it would be a good idea to fund it ourselves at first, although i think your interest in it and thinking of funding it through RG is great, i would hate for there to be an incentive not to do it, (having to upgrade) although there are many users out there who understand that not only is premium membership supporting the community but also allowing you good benefits, there are however many people out there who dont. and at the same time i think the main incentive of becoming a "tutor" as it were, would be to raise your profile on the forums and be thought of as an expert in the fields you hold lessons in, which im sure you will agree will have maximum effictiveness if you are "tutoring" as many people as possible.

however i would imagine that had people learnt alot from what you had told them and it was moved to a premium member benefit, it would be more of an incentive that way for those who wouldn't have otherwise thought about upgrading before.

how to overcome these issues?

simple in my eyes, keep the tinychat section of the site open to all members, but when posting links to these sessions it would be great to have the functionality where by you can hide things from members who aren't premium members

( eg [hide=-premium]your tinychat link here [/hide] )

this keeps the incentive to upgrade, but also allows tutors to teach all members if they would like.
 
I apologise for the inactivity. I have been increasingly busy recently and I hate to say it, but that took higher priority. However, now I'm back and ready to continue with this thread :)

Oxide said:
I think something better could be achieved and a adequate way of funding it could be provided, if it was included into the upcoming Premium Membership, by upgrading to a Premium Membership it is a monthly cost, therefore that is a flow of income that could be used and it would only be available for Premium Members, therefore giving an incentive to upgrade.

If you think something better could be achieved, please do not hesitate to ask or even throw an idea on the table. Don't get me wrong and I'm not trying to be rude, but saying you have a better idea or indeed a method for going about something though not having anything to back it up with is pointless. It's like Einstein saying that E=mc² but providing no proof to his claim. On the other hand, I do like your idea that it should become a Premium Membership perk. I think you're correct in saying that it would entise people to upgrade their account. However, if this is to continue and achieves enough support I think we should have a forum vote on it. My idea was the service to be for the whole community, not a niche part of the forum. Once again this is just one idea and by no means is my thought process better than yours. Thus I think a forum vote would be the best idea as it would give a broad overview of what the forum wants.

saiyan said:
...simple in my eyes, keep the tinychat section of the site open to all members, but when posting links to these sessions it would be great to have the functionality where by you can hide things from members who aren't premium members

( eg [hide=-premium]your tinychat link here [/hide] )

this keeps the incentive to upgrade, but also allows tutors to teach all members if they would like.

This again is a fantastic idea. Once again I think a forum vote once this had received a certain value of support would be needed to make an overall decision. This idea is still in its early days and will require a decent amount of thought before we even get to this stage - for all we know it will never get to that stage and die a concept.
 
Oxide said:
The premium membership thingy kind of was the idea :p >.>

In that case I'm retarded :p Long day at work... :p

I guess sectioning off a premium service to only those that actually contribute to the forum is fair; but I still think a forum vote would be the overall preferred course of action. Atleast that way everyone gets their say and nobody can complain.
 
Glen said:
It's a good idea and again let me finish the development for Rune Gear v2 and we can incorporate most of the good ideas that the members are coming up with.

Thanks for taking the time to come up with this.

Thank you for this Glen. It's incredibly encouraging knowing I have an owners support. Hopefully this will boost the popularity and support of the thread. All the best with the Rune Gear v2!
 
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