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Which would you prefer? (refer to OP)


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Solidify

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I was having a discussion with a member of our staff team that brought up an important issue prominent among the forum. I'd like to know your guys' opinions.

More often that not, if you find a technical support or media support forum, etc., you'll find yourself with a user-base smaller than what we have, if you factor in how long Rune Gear has been around. Most of these forums are fairly small and not as active as our forum, but one thing that the majority of them do not fail to deliver is quality users as well as almost perfect conduct. I'm not sure if it's because our user-base is much younger than that of those forums but everything is usually well-organized and the rules and regulations are followed to code.

I haven't been on Rune Gear since it's early days but I've been here long enough to affirm that a lot of our rules over-lap each other. On Rune Gear, if you break a rule, you can get away with it if you manage to reason your way out of it. For instance;

Rights

At Rune Gear, you are:
- Entitled to your own opinion.

yet, there are instances that users voice their opinion but are almost immediately warned or silenced. In theory, staff and management need to exercise judgement and tally-up all the rules and regulations when accessing a situation before they can conclude whether or not to warn a user for said post.

On other forums, the rules are clear, concise and in most cases, can't be misinterpreted. For example, on a tech support forum, we may see a regulation that clearly reads "No cross-posting" but on Rune Gear, we have rules that say;

Rights

At Rune Gear, you are:
- Enjoy yourself here at Rune Gear.

That's where the problems comes in and the reason I think there are so many issues with regards to misinterpretations on the forum. The rules over-lap each other. For instance, a member could have published a topic that is demeaning to someone or something, which in turn, may offend someone, thus forcing management to punish said user. But if that user were to plea his case, he would say something along the lines of 'Well, your policies state that I have a valid right to enjoy myself and posting such topics allows me to do so, therefore I can't be punished' when in reality, the rules also mentioned that flaming other users is forbidden.

The point I'm trying to get across is that there's too much work of exercising one's judgement involved in issuing warnings and punishing ill-behaved users. Rules should be clear, concise and very difficult to be interpreted differently than in their actual sense. That's what starts problems and arguments when users get into trouble. We should be able to look at a user's post/report and say 'Oh, OK, he violated this rule without question. Warning. Boom.' Done.

Having said that, I'd like to ask you guys something.
Would you rather have a very active forum with half-way rule-compliant users, threads in disarray (in wrong sections), etc., or a significantly less active/smaller user-base but for which users clearly follow the rules as they are indicated? Please vote in the poll above as well as leave a comment if need be.

I'd like to see what the majority vote is first and depending on which direction this forum is more inclined, I'll suggest an alternative to maintaining Rune Gear adequately.
 
To be honest, yellow. I'll clean up all of the shit that that kind leaves behind.
 
Rules are meant to be broken. A bigger forum is a better forum. And as said above the point of staff is to keep things running smoothly.

I voted yellowww.
 
Life said:
Yellow. If it was blue staff wouldn't have a job to do.

Staff is supposed to be dependent on the forum. Not the other way around. That's why you hire workers when there is labor to be done but you let them off when there's no work to be done. In other words, we're not supposed to make work for someone. If there is work to do, then we assign someone to it. That's why when you open a forum to the public, you have very few, if any, staff members. Take a look at most other forums and you'll notice our staff to user-base ratio is slightly higher. I'll use a very successful website most of us are aware of as an example; Hack Forums.

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That's 8 staff members for nearly a quarter of a million members while Rune Gear already has;

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5 staff members for less than 2% of Hack Forum's user-base, not to mention the 8 moderators Rune Gear has. And you can tell I'm serious about this considering I'm a moderator as well.


I know this is not Hack Forums and management doesn't intend to run their website as if it were but surely we can derive from this web-forum, given it's success. It's a prime example.

Rune Gear is supposed to please it's user-base with the content and insight it has to over, not supply jobs. The workload comes with it if need be. From what I'm hearing, most of you have acknowledged the issue at hand as well as the low quality we have;

Dykerosoft said:
I'll clean up all of the shit that that kind leaves behind.

but would much rather keep it to keep yourselves busy. That's not really productive in my humble opinion.

And lastly, there are just as many people favor of the reform I've suggested as there are opposed (see poll results). The problem is that none of them have the backbone to reply due to the image of how a forum should be that we've undoubtedly fabricated.

Gum said:
Rules are meant to be broken. A bigger forum is a better forum. And as said above the point of staff is to keep things running smoothly.

I voted yellowww.

Rules are meant to be broken? We're did you pick up that mentality?

And a bigger forums is not always better. Sometimes the quality of the forum's users can make all the difference.
 
Solidify said:
Life said:
Yellow. If it was blue staff wouldn't have a job to do.

Staff is supposed to be dependent on the forum. Not the other way around. That's why you hire workers when there is labor to be done but you let them off when there's no work to be done. In other words, we're not supposed to make work for someone. If there is work to do, then we assign someone to it. That's why when you open a forum to the public, you have very few, if any, staff members. Take a look at most other forums and you'll notice our staff to user-base ratio is slightly higher. I'll use a very successful website most of us are aware of as an example; Hack Forums.

hfstaff.png


hfstats.png


That's 8 staff members for nearly a quarter of a million members while Rune Gear already has;

rgstaff.png


rgstats.png


5 staff members for less than 2% of Hack Forum's user-base, not to mention the 8 moderators Rune Gear has. And you can tell I'm serious about this considering I'm a moderator as well.


I know this is not Hack Forums and management doesn't intend to run their website as if it were but surely we can derive from this web-forum, given it's success. It's a prime example.

Rune Gear is supposed to please it's user-base with the content and insight it has to over, not supply jobs. The workload comes with it if need be. From what I'm hearing, most of you have acknowledged the issue at hand as well as the low quality we have;

Dykerosoft said:
I'll clean up all of the shit that that kind leaves behind.

but would much rather keep it to keep yourselves busy. That's not really productive in my humble opinion.

And lastly, there are just as many people favor of the reform I've suggested as there are opposed (see poll results). The problem is that none of them have the backbone to reply due to the image of how a forum should be that we've undoubtedly fabricated.

Gum said:
Rules are meant to be broken. A bigger forum is a better forum. And as said above the point of staff is to keep things running smoothly.

I voted yellowww.

Rules are meant to be broken? We're did you pick up that mentality?

And a bigger forums is not always better. Sometimes the quality of the forum's users can make all the difference.

It's some canadian hippy thing. I just thought of it and was bored.

Although true bigger isn't always better(my body is proof of that), we're not at that point yet. Nothing near there. I believe we need more members still. Being strict and not allowing anything won't help. So maybe when this becomes an issue we would see how we could work on it, but not yet.

EDIT: Just thought I'd mention what you have here is a pretty cool thought. I'm hoping some more people who think blue will talk so I can hear other opinions besides Solidify.
 
Your problem is you compare everything with the biggest forums possible. HF is the biggest MyBB forum around.

Yellow is every forums route.
 
Gum said:
Solidify said:
Life said:
Yellow. If it was blue staff wouldn't have a job to do.

Staff is supposed to be dependent on the forum. Not the other way around. That's why you hire workers when there is labor to be done but you let them off when there's no work to be done. In other words, we're not supposed to make work for someone. If there is work to do, then we assign someone to it. That's why when you open a forum to the public, you have very few, if any, staff members. Take a look at most other forums and you'll notice our staff to user-base ratio is slightly higher. I'll use a very successful website most of us are aware of as an example; Hack Forums.

hfstaff.png


hfstats.png


That's 8 staff members for nearly a quarter of a million members while Rune Gear already has;

rgstaff.png


rgstats.png


5 staff members for less than 2% of Hack Forum's user-base, not to mention the 8 moderators Rune Gear has. And you can tell I'm serious about this considering I'm a moderator as well.


I know this is not Hack Forums and management doesn't intend to run their website as if it were but surely we can derive from this web-forum, given it's success. It's a prime example.

Rune Gear is supposed to please it's user-base with the content and insight it has to over, not supply jobs. The workload comes with it if need be. From what I'm hearing, most of you have acknowledged the issue at hand as well as the low quality we have;

Dykerosoft said:
I'll clean up all of the shit that that kind leaves behind.

but would much rather keep it to keep yourselves busy. That's not really productive in my humble opinion.

And lastly, there are just as many people favor of the reform I've suggested as there are opposed (see poll results). The problem is that none of them have the backbone to reply due to the image of how a forum should be that we've undoubtedly fabricated.

Gum said:
Rules are meant to be broken. A bigger forum is a better forum. And as said above the point of staff is to keep things running smoothly.

I voted yellowww.

Rules are meant to be broken? We're did you pick up that mentality?

And a bigger forums is not always better. Sometimes the quality of the forum's users can make all the difference.

It's some canadian hippy thing. I just thought of it and was bored.

Although true bigger isn't always better(my body is proof of that), we're not at that point yet. Nothing near there. I believe we need more members still. Being strict and not allowing anything won't help. So maybe when this becomes an issue we would see how we could work on it, but not yet.

Rules ARE ment to be broken. If rules weren't supposed to be broken, then what do Moderators do?

Basically it's like this,

No rules = No Cops = No Protection = A @"Crysis"

See what i did thar?
 
Justin said:
Rules ARE ment to be broken. If rules weren't supposed to be broken, then what do Moderators do?

Basically it's like this,

No rules = No Cops = No Protection = A @Crysis

See what i did thar?

I'm blind you jerk... jk lol. I knew there was something with that but I was to lazy to think. Thanks xD.

If there are no rules though, everyones doing whats right! A perfect world!! Brilliant?
 
Gum said:
Justin said:
Rules ARE ment to be broken. If rules weren't supposed to be broken, then what do Moderators do?

Basically it's like this,

No rules = No Cops = No Protection = A @Crysis

See what i did thar?

I'm blind you jerk... jk lol. I knew there was something with that but I was to lazy to think. Thanks xD.

If there are no rules though, everyones doing whats right! A perfect world!! Brilliant?

Riots would be happening left and right if there were no rules.
 
Definitely yellow.

It's our job to get the rule breakers.
 
Yellow, or else it's boring
 
Gum said:
It's some canadian hippy thing. I just thought of it and was bored.

Although true bigger isn't always better(my body is proof of that), we're not at that point yet. Nothing near there. I believe we need more members still. Being strict and not allowing anything won't help. So maybe when this becomes an issue we would see how we could work on it, but not yet.

EDIT: Just thought I'd mention what you have here is a pretty cool thought. I'm hoping some more people who think blue will talk so I can hear other opinions besides Solidify.

If we wait for the forum to get bigger before implement a change in protocol or become stricter, it will more difficult to overcome than if we were to do it now. If we change our policies to may clearer and more concise and come down harder on user's committing in fractions, it will raise the bar for newcomers. May user-forums with this age groups are exactly like this one; full of non-sense and childish posts. If we make the change I'm talking about, we'll stand out much more and gain a much smarter user-base.

And since you spoke about your body, I'll explain it to you in terms of weight management. Most skinny guys think the best way to get ripped or cut is to gain a lot of weight first and then tone it once you've reached your maximum rather than trying to stay fight while building muscle. They're both technically fine and work well but the method that requires you to gain a lot more weight and lose it is much faster and easier but not necessarily more beneficial than the progressive muscle intensive workouts you would do if you consistently gained weight. Same applies for the forum, we could get a very big user-base by being lenient and afterwards being stricter and trimming off the users that aren't compliment but the success rate won't necessarily be better than if we'd have raised the bar from the start. Change doesn't take place overnight, we need to work at it.

Mike said:
Your problem is you compare everything with the biggest forums possible. HF is the biggest MyBB forum around.

Yellow is every forums route.

Would it hurt to use them as a model?

Justin said:
Rules ARE ment to be broken. If rules weren't supposed to be broken, then what do Moderators do?

Basically it's like this,

No rules = No Cops = No Protection = A @"Crysis"

See what i did thar?

What do moderators do? Are you serious? Have you ever tried asking TE to moderate a particular section and had him reply 'it's not big enough to be moderated' or 'it doesn't need to be regulated yet, there isn't enough activity'? Well, that's the same principle. I made this clear in my previous post, which is odd why you didn't grasp the idea yet. Moderators and staff should be reliant on whether there is something to be moderated or regulated. If there's no need for them, they won't be there. If we had a user-base that everyone followed the rules accordingly, why would we even need anyone to moderate or regulate (staff) it? We wouldn't.

Miss Hannah Minx said:
Definitely yellow.

It's our job to get the rule breakers.

That's ridiculous. It's not even worth justifying why with a response.

Again, it's sad that not everyone speaks up;

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Solidify said:
That's ridiculous. It's not even justifying why with a response.

Again, it's sad that not everyone speaks up;

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Some people don't have the time to sit here and write novels like you.
 
Miss Hannah Minx said:
Solidify said:
That's ridiculous. It's not even justifying why with a response.

Again, it's sad that not everyone speaks up;

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Some people don't have the time to sit here and write novels like you.

Surely if they vote, they can leave a comment. Only takes a minute or two to reply.
Write novels? You're right, some members would much rather spam comments during contests. That's much less time consuming.
 
Solidify said:
Surely if they vote, they can leave a comment. Only takes a minute or two to reply.
Write novels? You're right, some members would much rather spam comments during contests. That's much less time consuming.

It all goes down IF they want to comment.

If some of us moderators would actually do OUR job, then we wouldn't have to worry about that, now would we?
 
Miss Hannah Minx said:
Solidify said:
Surely if they vote, they can leave a comment. Only takes a minute or two to reply.
Write novels? You're right, some members would much rather spam comments during contests. That's much less time consuming.

It all goes down IF they want to comment.

If some of us moderators would actually do OUR job, then we wouldn't have to worry about that, now would we?

What do you mean by 'It all goes down IF they want to comment'?

And you're missing the point. If I put more backbone into doing my job, sure, I'd regulate the lobby better but wouldn't it be easier to address the issue at it's roots?
 
Solidify said:
Miss Hannah Minx said:
Solidify said:
Surely if they vote, they can leave a comment. Only takes a minute or two to reply.
Write novels? You're right, some members would much rather spam comments during contests. That's much less time consuming.

It all goes down IF they want to comment.

If some of us moderators would actually do OUR job, then we wouldn't have to worry about that, now would we?

What do you mean by 'It all goes down IF they want to comment'?

And you're missing the point. If I put more backbone into doing my job, sure, I'd regulate the lobby better but wouldn't it be easier to address the issue at it's roots?

I think I get what you're trying to say.
 
Miss Hannah Minx said:
Solidify said:
Miss Hannah Minx said:
It all goes down IF they want to comment.

If some of us moderators would actually do OUR job, then we wouldn't have to worry about that, now would we?

What do you mean by 'It all goes down IF they want to comment'?

And you're missing the point. If I put more backbone into doing my job, sure, I'd regulate the lobby better but wouldn't it be easier to address the issue at it's roots?

I think I get what you're trying to say.

I'm glad.
 
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