Abortion

[Divinitive]

Hey guys I was just wondering people's points of views on abortion... I personally think that abortion shouldn't be illegal, it is a personally reasonable thing to have around purely because if the mother and or father agree that they have made 1. a mistake, or the contraceptive devices used have failed them, I find no harm in aborting a child before this said child can even feel harm, let alone fathom what death, nor life even is...

 

[Cann!bal]

If abortion was the equivalent of murdering babies, no right-minded person would support it, however, since that is not the case, it's quite blatant opposers are missing the point. It's important to distinguish what now is, from what now may become. An acorn is not an oak tree.

 

[Narc]

If they can prove they were raped then I think they should, but if they just want one then no.

 

[Cann!bal]

If they can prove they were raped then I think they should, but if they just want one then no.

There's rarely ever any reliable empirical evidence of rape, purely anecdotal evidence. It's estimated only 3% of supposed rapists will ever spend a day in prison for their crime. It's incredibly slim that they will be capable of proving rape.

No one's going to "just want one". Pregnant women don't get abortions because they think it's fun--they get abortions because they are not prepared; they get abortions because they don't want to raise a child in an atmosphere of adversity; they get abortions because they don't want to raise the child of the man who raped them; they get abortions because they don't want to raise a child they can't provide for financially or socially.

 

[Painkiller]

I really don't get why people can't just put him/her up for adoption.

 

[Divinitive]

I really don't get why people can't just put him/her up for adoption.

I thought about that perspective as well, but you have to realize that whether you abort the soon to be baby, or put it up for adoption, you will always have to live with the fact that you got rid of it, and you will always have second thoughts of that... I don't think women just go out and get pregnant and say "fuck it I'll just abort it" or at least most women that is, but I feel that if the woman and or male feel that the baby will not be able to be raised in the environment they would currently provide for him or her, then it would be perfectly fine to abort it.

 

[Painkiller]

I thought about that perspective as well, but you have to realize that whether you abort the soon to be baby, or put it up for adoption, you will always have to live with the fact that you got rid of it, and you will always have second thoughts of that... I don't think women just go out and get pregnant and say "fuck it I'll just abort it" or at least most women that is, but I feel that if the woman and or male feel that the baby will not be able to be raised in the environment they would currently provide for him or her, then it would be perfectly fine to abort it.

Couldn't agree more with that.

 

[Mountain Dew]

I agree with @Narc said. That is how it should be.

 

[Deany]

Sometimes I wish I was aborted. FUck this Earth.

 

[Coder]

If they can't be responsible when it comes to having sex, then they shouldn't be having sex at all. The woman or couple should be held responsible for there actions. If they really don't feel fit maturity wise or financial wise then they should give the baby up for adoption.

Now if the girl was raped.. I don't blame the girl for wanting to have an abortion. It was a traumatic event and she didn't ask or volunteer to bring the baby into the world. But, I don't think its fair for the baby.. that baby has a soul, spirit.. and it has a destiny. It does not deserve to die, and have its life and future stolen from it. Its got a chance to have a great and successful life just like everyone else does.

A famous quote from the one and only Mewtwo (Pokemon)

-Mewtwo "The circumstances of ones birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

 

[One]

I think abortion should be illegal 99% of the time. There are only a handful of reasonable scenarios where it is the "only option."

 

[Cann!bal]

If they can't be responsible when it comes to having sex, then they shouldn't be having sex at all. The woman or couple should be held responsible for there actions. If they really don't feel fit maturity wise or financial wise then they should give the baby up for adoption.

Now if the girl was raped.. I don't blame the girl for wanting to have an abortion. It was a traumatic event and she didn't ask or volunteer to bring the baby into the world. But, I don't think its fair for the baby.. that baby has a soul, spirit.. and it has a destiny. It does not deserve to die, and have its life and future stolen from it. Its got a chance to have a great and successful life just like everyone else does.

A famous quote from the one and only Mewtwo (Pokemon)

-Mewtwo "The circumstances of ones birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

Indeed, perhaps they shouldn't, however, we can't deny them their human rights to intercourse. If the two desire adoption, then alright fine, however, in a world where the foster care system and adoption agencies are dreadful and traumatizing, I would reconsider that decision. 20%-30% of adoptions in adoption agencies fail, and private domestic adoptions make up half of the adoptions in the United States, while foster care adoptions make up the majority of the rest and are much more adverse.

It's not a human baby, it's a fetus; it has no soul, no spirit, no destiny. If we equate what now is with what now may become, then under this logic, masturbation is an act of genocide, and you ultimately are the equivalent of a murderer for depriving life from someone every time you refrain from sex. It's apparent to us that an acorn is indeed not an oak tree, however, how come we fail to recognize a fetus is not a human?

There's rarely ever any reliable empirical evidence of rape, purely anecdotal evidence. It's estimated only 3% of supposed rapists will ever spend a day in prison for their crime. It's incredibly slim that they will be capable of proving rape.

No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver, according to research from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."

Three years is the average length of time a child in foster care waits to be adopted. Roughly 55% of these children have had three or more placements. An earlier study found that 33% of children had changed elementary schools five or more times, losing relationships and falling behind educationally.

In 2012, 23,396 youth aged out of the U.S. foster care system without the emotional and financial support necessary to succeed. Nearly 40% had been homeless or couch surfed, nearly 60% of young men had been convicted of a crime, and only 48% were employed. 75% of women and 33% of men receive government benefits to meet basic needs. 50% of all youth who aged out were involved in substance use and 17% of the females were pregnant.

There's truthfully an overwhelming amount of statistics on why adoption is adverse for a child. It really fucks with their development.

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@"Mountain Dew"
@Painkiller

I think abortion should be illegal 99% of the time. There are only a handful of reasonable scenarios where it is the "only option."

I can't think of a single realistic scenario where it is the only option.

 

[Darth Vader]

I don't support abortion if a girl just doesn't want to support a child. The ONLY time i find abortion okay is if the girl was raped/sexually assaulted.

 

[Cann!bal]

I don't support abortion if a girl just doesn't want to support a child. The ONLY time i find abortion okay is if the girl was raped/sexually assaulted.

It's not that they don't want to, it's that they can't.

 

[Darth Vader]

It's not that they don't want to, it's that they can't.

It can be both cases really. Just because they can't or don't want to doesn't mean that its okay to get an abortion at all. Give the child up for adoption.

 

[Cann!bal]

It can be both cases really. Just because they can't or don't want to doesn't mean that its okay to get an abortion at all. Give the child up for adoption.

Blatantly, however, your statement was missing the point. Yeah, because it's irrelevant to the matter honestly. An abortion is a reproductive right. No one should be able to control one's organs, especially not some old devoutly religious white male aristocratic politician. I just spewed various statements regarding the adversity of adoption; I suggest reading them.

 

[Darth Vader]

Blatantly, however, your statement was missing the point. Yeah, because it's irrelevant to the matter honestly. An abortion is a reproductive right. No one should be able to control one's organs, especially not some old devoutly religious white male aristocratic politician. I just spewed various statements regarding the adversity of adoption; I suggest reading them.

I respect your statement and I'm not going to argue with it at all. This is a sensitive topic for everyone really. I'm a religious man myself. I don't attend church and the whole 9 yards but I am a firm believer in God and my view on abortion is something I don't see myself changing. But I respect your point of view none the less man.

 

[One]

Blatantly, however, your statement was missing the point. Yeah, because it's irrelevant to the matter honestly. An abortion is a reproductive right. No one should be able to control one's organs, especially not some old devoutly religious white male aristocratic politician. I just spewed various statements regarding the adversity of adoption; I suggest reading them.

Your convoluted sentences are confusing me. Which side are you on here?

 

[Cann!bal]

I respect your statement and I'm not going to argue with it at all. This is a sensitive topic for everyone really. I'm a religious man myself. I don't attend church and the whole 9 yards but I am a firm believer in God and my view on abortion is something I don't see myself changing. But I respect your point of view none the less man.

If you're too insecure to defend your beliefs, then you should probably rethink them critically. Identify the catalyst of your insecurity and transcend it. However, I can tell you now, your insecurity sprouts from the hollow foundation which your beliefs and perspective of Reality reside on. Most people do not see their beliefs, rather their beliefs tell them what to see. Your insecurity to defend yourself is a testament to this.

The walls of your prison are as thick and high as your fear based commitment to sustaining them.

Your convoluted sentences are confusing me. Which side are you on here?

I'm pro-abortion. I simply wanted to manifest you were inaccurate.

 

[Divinitive]

If you're too insecure to defend your beliefs, then you should probably rethink them critically. Identify the catalyst of your insecurity and transcend it. However, I can tell you now, your insecurity sprouts from the hollow foundation which your beliefs and perspective of Reality reside on. Most people do not see their beliefs, rather their beliefs tell them what to see. Your insecurity to defend yourself is a testament to this.

The walls of your prison are as thick and high as your fear based commitment to sustaining them.


I'm pro-abortion. I simply wanted to manifest you were inaccurate.

I'm not saying that I am pro-abortion, but I have to agree with the previous points you've made, I guess I can say I am pro-decision making... I'm not necessarily ecstatic about abortion, but the simple ability to execute such act, should not be taken away.